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 September 12 2017 07:16PM (Read 2059 times)  
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https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/3688/text

https://www.c-span.org/congress/bills/bill/?115/hr3688

https://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/154/855/170/


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 September 12 2017 11:02PM  
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We have to stop this. Browns Lake will be next.


 
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 September 13 2017 01:31PM  
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So you think going back and fixing wrongs by honoring the treaty negotiated by our previous leaders is a negative thing?


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 September 13 2017 03:46PM  


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https://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/154/855/170/

Please go to petition and sign. We can not lose ANY public hunting. I do not know what King was thinking but is not for the sportsman in NW Iowa.


 
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 September 13 2017 06:57PM  
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I know a bit about this. At various times that boundary has shifted back and forth like a snake. At various times defined by survey and others by center of the channel. Bucket of worms. Years ago it wound up in the supreme Court. This was the decision that landed Crater Lake Iowa in Nebraska. Unfortunately the defining survey was the Brass field survey on 1854. I got involved in this when working a FAA grant at the Sioux City airport. We had to do a abstract and the survey was a bucket of worms because many of the references were were to physically described such as intersection of 2 county roads adjacent the high water mark. The channel has shifted several times. The Corps of Engineers has moved parts of the channel. The oxbow lakes and much adjacent land are old channel. Anyone that fishes that area on the Missouri understands. Before you pick sides, understand the issue, not gut reactions.


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 September 14 2017 04:12PM  


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Majority of the time gut reaction is correct. What is the upside to this for the public.


 
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 September 14 2017 06:13PM  
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Majority of the time gut reaction is correct. What is the upside to this for the public.


Like I said. This isn't about an upside or down side. It is about trying to unravel 150+ years of conflicting surveys and agreements. For the record Iowa and Missouri actually called up militias and faced off over the Bee Tree conflict. Involved where the southern border of the stste.


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 September 14 2017 06:21PM  
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Majority of the time gut reaction is correct. What is the upside to this for the public.


Like I said. This isn't about an upside or down side. It is about trying to unravel 150+ years of conflicting surveys and agreements. For the record Iowa and Missouri actually called up militias and faced off over the Bee Tree conflict. Involved where the southern border of the stste.
Edit. Had to look it up. Honey war. 1839.


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 September 14 2017 06:36PM  
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Majority of the time gut reaction is correct. What is the upside to this for the public.


Like I said. This isn't about an upside or down side. It is about trying to unravel 150+ years of conflicting surveys and agreements. For the record Iowa and Missouri actually called up militias and faced off over the Bee Tree conflict. Involved where the southern border of the stste.



This is one of the biggest issues we are facing in American society today. The "what's in it for me" always seems to outweigh the ethics of the solution / problem. Sometimes the best outcome is not having an upside but being honest and grateful for what we do have instead of always wanting to take it all at the expense of others. I wonder how the OP would feel if the government wanted to use eminent domain to seize their home for the betterment of the community.


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 September 14 2017 11:31PM  
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Majority of the time gut reaction is correct. What is the upside to this for the public.


Like I said. This isn't about an upside or down side. It is about trying to unravel 150+ years of conflicting surveys and agreements. For the record Iowa and Missouri actually called up militias and faced off over the Bee Tree conflict. Involved where the southern border of the stste.



This is one of the biggest issues we are facing in American society today. The "what's in it for me" always seems to outweigh the ethics of the solution / problem. Sometimes the best outcome is not having an upside but being honest and grateful for what we do have instead of always wanting to take it all at the expense of others. I wonder how the OP would feel if the government wanted to use eminent domain to seize their home for the betterment of the community.


Agree 100%.

The land was supposed to be part of the reservation over 150 years ago. Make it right.


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 September 15 2017 08:40AM  
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Law > your wanting to hunt there.


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 September 15 2017 07:44PM  
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It's clearly on our side of the river - I say we keep it. This should've been taken care of when the river was channeled. All of the $ spent on maintaining that area is now waste...you know how all of these Govt run bureaus don't ever have any $.

Here's an idea - lets put that winnavegas casino on the res & we keep our lake.

Here come the dominos...


 
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 September 15 2017 08:08PM  
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It's clearly on our side of the river - I say we keep it. This should've been taken care of when the river was channeled. All of the $ spent on maintaining that area is now waste...you know how all of these Govt run bureaus don't ever have any $.

Here's an idea - lets put that winnavegas casino on the res & we keep our lake.

Here come the dominos...


Actually the casino is not the reservation. This issue is due to the river changing course over hundreds and thousands of years, long before the treaties or channelization. Of note, Browns Lake-Bigelow park is an Iowa state park.


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 September 15 2017 11:03PM  
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I think you misunderstood, I know it's not on the res now. But it will be if we put it on the other side of the river where it belongs.

The entire state line - reservation - river issue should've been taken care of back when the river was channeled.


 
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 September 19 2017 08:32PM  
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Rumor mill is that this is a trade off that was orchestrated to shut the tribes up over the pipeline. Which is its own story....The theory makes sense though. They've been totally absent over the issue in the last few months. I absolutely in no way support the bill or Steve Kings (or his Nebraska counterpart) reasoning for it.
Hoping some of the Woodbury or Monona Co. guys can shed some more light on this. Also via the "mill" is that the Corps, county conservation boards and the IDNR new nothing of this bill until the story broke on Sept 11 from some obscure newsletter prompted from Steve King. Sounds like some good ole boy deals if that's all true.


 
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 September 19 2017 09:37PM  
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Bottom line, the current river course is not the boundary between iowa and nebraska .


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 September 20 2017 10:05AM  


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Probably offered him some free play on the ol slot machines. They will come for your land next since they were here way before we landed on this country. So question is how far back do you want to go. Confused


 
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 September 20 2017 10:13PM  
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Follow the money. Why, all of the sudden is this an issue? If it was a done deal in 1976 - 41 years later - you can't tell me it's an urgent issue & is not about right or wrong. It's about money. Simple as that.


 
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