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TrapCyclone
 December 06 2017 11:19AM (Read 1393 times)  
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I received the message below from the Iowa Firearms Coalition (IFC) and was quite surprised. Apparently a CO was checking a deer hunter who had a suppressed rifle in a legal caliber and, as stated in the release, the "DNR Conservation Officer [has] asserted authority to seize a suppressor if the possessor can’t prove legal possession by presenting a Form 4 with a tax stamp affixed"!! According to the IFC neither state nor federal law actually require that proof of ownership of the suppressor be presented. They are, however, suggesting that you bring a copy of your Form 4 with you just to be on the safe side.

I find this to be a bit perplexing as I would have thought that reducing noise pollution while hunting is a good thing. So it seems odd for there to be so much hoopla over the use of a suppressor while hunting here in Iowa.

http://iowafc.org/news/


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 December 06 2017 11:43AM  
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Why does this surprise you? I would argue more LEO's don't know suppressor laws than ones that do.

I was going to WI to hunt. I don't get into the details but I made a few calls to inquire about using a suppressor. I was told they are illegal to own by one agency. I reassured them that you could indeed own one.


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 December 06 2017 05:23PM  
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Why does this surprise you? I would argue more LEO's don't know suppressor laws than ones that do.

I was going to WI to hunt. I don't get into the details but I made a few calls to inquire about using a suppressor. I was told they are illegal to own by one agency. I reassured them that you could indeed own one.


I am not a expert on NFA, but crossing state lines can be sticky. Interstate travel vs going to another state to visit may be viewed differently by the feds.


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 December 06 2017 09:46PM  
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Why does this surprise you? I would argue more LEO's don't know suppressor laws than ones that do.

I was going to WI to hunt. I don't get into the details but I made a few calls to inquire about using a suppressor. I was told they are illegal to own by one agency. I reassured them that you could indeed own one.


I am not a expert on NFA, but crossing state lines can be sticky. Interstate travel vs going to another state to visit may be viewed differently by the feds.



Hence why I was calling ahead I believe you are ok see link.

https://www.esilencers.com/process-transporting-nfa-item-across-state-lines/

The problem was the local department flat out said suppressor are illegal in the US.


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 December 06 2017 10:10PM  
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Why does this surprise you? I would argue more LEO's don't know suppressor laws than ones that do.

I was going to WI to hunt. I don't get into the details but I made a few calls to inquire about using a suppressor. I was told they are illegal to own by one agency. I reassured them that you could indeed own one.


I am not a expert on NFA, but crossing state lines can be sticky. Interstate travel vs going to another state to visit may be viewed differently by the feds.



Hence why I was calling ahead I believe you are ok see link.

https://www.esilencers.com/process-transporting-nfa-item-across-state-lines/

The problem was the local department flat out said suppressor are illegal in the US.


Ya I got that. I had a sheriff's deputy , giving a weapons carry , class tell us we had to store weapon and ammo separately. Duh
Sometimes new concepts take a while to filter down thru the food chain.


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 December 07 2017 08:58AM  
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Interesting advise considering this from the ATF...



Does the possessor of an NFA firearm have to show proof of registration?

Yes. The approved application received from ATF serves as evidence of registration of the NFA firearm. This document must be made available upon request of any ATF officer. It is suggested that a photocopy of the approved application be carried by the possessor when the weapon is being transported.

[26 U.S.C. 5841(e); 27 CFR 478.101]



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 December 07 2017 09:51AM  
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Interesting advise considering this from the ATF...

Does the possessor of an NFA firearm have to show proof of registration?

Yes. The approved application received from ATF serves as evidence of registration of the NFA firearm. This document must be made available upon request of any ATF officer. It is suggested that a photocopy of the approved application be carried by the possessor when the weapon is being transported.

[26 U.S.C. 5841(e); 27 CFR 478.101]

I don't know if this is a distinction, but it looks like this FAQ references a "NFA firearm" rather than a 'NFA item" or "NFA suppressor." A suppressor is not a firearm. It also says the document must be made available to an "ATF officer." Again, I am not sure if this is a distinction, but I don't think local police and CO's are normally considered to be "ATF officers." I am not a lawyer and this isn't legal advice, but I would think that the IFC would do their homework before sending out this kind of news release. Even so, it is a good idea to carry copies of the required documentation with you for these kind of items.


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